Of blogging and unemployment
15Minutes, Life October 27th, 2003 |UPDATE: Please take the time to read my followup post, Fifteen Minutes of Fame, for my thoughts on what happened after I posted the picture, why it happened — and most importantly, why I don’t blame Microsoft for their actions. Thanks!
The day started like any other day — get up, dink around for a bit, bus into work, and start working through the stack of jobs. Just shy of an hour after I got in, my manager came in and asked me to step into his office when I had a chance. Sure, no biggie, and I headed over as soon as I finished the job I was setting up.
“Okay, here’s the first question. Is this page,” and here he turned his monitor towards me, letting me see my “Even Microsoft wants G5s” post from last Thursday, “hosted on any Microsoft computer? Or is it on your own?”
“It’s on mine. Well, it’s on a hosted site that I pay for, but no, it’s not on anything of Microsoft’s.”
“Good. That means that as it’s your site on your own server, you have the right to say anything you want. Unfortunately, Microsoft has the right to decide that because of what you said, you’re no longer welcome on the Microsoft campus.”
And that simply, as of about 2pm today, I once again joined the ranks of the unemployed.
It seems that my post is seen by Microsoft Security as being a security violation. The picture itself might have been permissible, but because I also mentioned that I worked at the MSCopy print shop, and which building it was in, it pushed me over the line. Merely removing the post was also not an option — I offered, and my manager said that he had asked the same thing — but the only option afforded me was to collect any personal belongings I had at my workstation and be escorted out the door. They were at least kind enough to let me be escorted out by one of my co-workers, rather than sending security over to usher me out, but the end result is the same.
More frustrating for me is that, having read stories here and there on the ‘net about people who had for one reason or another lost their jobs due to something on their weblogs, I thought that I had done what I could to avoid that possibility. To my mind, it’s an innocuous post. The presence of Macs on the Microsoft campus isn’t a secret (for everything from graphic design work to the Mac Business Unit), and when I took the picture, I made sure to stand with my back to the building so that nothing other than the computers and the truck would be shown — no building features, no security measures, and no Microsoft personnel. However, it obviously wasn’t enough.
So, I’m unemployed. I am somewhat lucky in that I’m not technically unemployed — I am still on the roster for my temp agency, who has been very good to me so far (and hopefully will continue to be), but as their ability to place me anywhere does depend on the current job market, it’s not a foolproof guarantee of employment coming in quickly. I’ve put a call into them and let them know of the situation and that I’m available and willing for whatever can be found, so with any luck, they’ll be able to find a placement for me. However, it appears that it’s also time for me to start hitting the streets and shopping my resume around again.
Wish me luck.
[See also: Washington Post article on Blogging and Jobs | TechNewsWorld commentary mention | Even Microsoft wants G5s | In retrospect, this was really stupid. | List of Dangerous Bloggers ]
October 27th, 2003 at 3:21 pm
The list of reasons Microsoft sucks so badly just keeps growing. This is ridiculous. hug
October 27th, 2003 at 3:29 pm
oh god. Sorry
October 27th, 2003 at 3:31 pm
Omg. That’s just incredible. You must have stepped on somebody’s toes - nay broken somebody’s toes… It’s amazing what people and corporations get pissy over. Microsuck just needs a swift kick in the nads and I volunteer! No one sacks my friends! Unless it’s the other kind of sack - if you know what I mean…
October 27th, 2003 at 3:32 pm
Holy fucking shit, I think your month just got way worse than mine. I can’t believe they dismissed you for something so harmless. Can you really be fired for that? Are they terrified of letting people know where their shipping dock is?? What the fuck??!!
Needless to say I’m shocked that your post title really meant what it implied.
Let me know if you get in a financial bind - I know I’m not the only one who reads your blog who would scrape together a few extra bucks to make sure you have rent/food money. In fact, I’d venture to say that some folks with popular blogs would put up a tip jar in your stead, even if you don’t.
Also, I’m pretty good at editing documents and making them look pretty - I’ll help on your resume/cover letter if you want any assistance.
hugs from me as well.
October 27th, 2003 at 3:34 pm
Oh, Kiddo. I ache for you. And you thought it was only family and friends who were interested in your blog. Big Brother was not on your list of expected readers.
We love you.
October 27th, 2003 at 4:27 pm
I am stunned. So sorry that such a little thing lost you your job. I hope you find something else quickly and I appreciate your posting on this topic as it validates my own paranoia about what content I allow the world to view with my own blog.
But yikes! Hang in there…
October 27th, 2003 at 4:55 pm
That’s a load of crap to put it a nice way. I remember reading that post and saw no security issues. But that’s Microsoft for you. Just another good reason I use Linux. As someone already said, “the list of reasons Microsoft sucks so badly just keeps growing”.
October 27th, 2003 at 5:40 pm
This is just beyond the pale. I never thought they’d screw someone so close to me on the Kevin Bacon metric. I’m sorry, man. Let me know if there’s anything that I can do.
October 27th, 2003 at 6:12 pm
I’d say “that stinks”, but I’d be telling you something you already know. I offer my sympathies and my shared astonishment. On the plus side, you don’t have to worry what they think of your blog any more. You could certainly let them have it, if that’s what you feel like doing.
October 27th, 2003 at 6:21 pm
Ridiculous! Utterly insane! At the risk or repeating earlier responses, Microsoft couldn’t possibly suck any worse! They’re total idiots! I agree with Kirsten—if there’s anything I can do to help, let me know. I’m also quite adept at editing resumes and cover letters. (‘Sides, I owe you for all of your editing help on my various projects!) Lots of HUGS from me too!
October 27th, 2003 at 6:27 pm
We are sorry to hear of your job situation. Michael, we will remember you in our thoughts and prayers. Just remember you were looking for a job when you found the one you were at and with your talents, you will be able to find another one. Good luck and keep the faith.
October 27th, 2003 at 7:12 pm
First of all, I am so sorry!!!
Secondly, can your agency place you elsewhere or has Bill Gate’s actions blackballed you?
Thirdly - is there a free legal clinic in SEA? I am not sure what they did is kosher, but I do not know WA law.
I love you, kid. I agree this is an overreaction. The post was merely funny, not derogatory.
Bummer.
Love
Dad
October 27th, 2003 at 7:38 pm
Blog with care
Mind what you blog, it might get you the sack even if the posting is not about the company you work in.
October 27th, 2003 at 7:58 pm
Bummer! I agree that your posting was innocuous. You did mention a building but you did not give any useful details on the building. There is some paranoia about terrorists attacking the Microsoft campus. See — http://www.winnetmag.com/Article/ArticleID/24492/24492.html
Ultimately it’s their campus and I guess they get to set the rules. It would have been more just if they gave you a warning and/or they had a policy on these things. If you were an employee (not a contractor)then I am sure they wouldn’t be so cavalier.
I hope that official Microsoft bloggers such as Robert Scoble don’t dare mention buildings or post any photos. Good luck finding your next career opportunity.
October 27th, 2003 at 8:25 pm
Wow! I’m really sorry to hear the news Michael. What the hell is Microsoft trying to hid? There must be some latent issues inside that corporation that are f*@#ed up! Anyways, I would say, check out your legal rights if you feel that it is a good thing to do, but i’m not worried about you. The universe is tilting you in a different direction and you are fully capable of sliding away toward something new and exciting!
October 27th, 2003 at 8:58 pm
Unfortunately, it is well known in other shops that are more code-centric that yes, MS is terrified of everything. Paranoid, no. You can’t be paranoid enough when they really are out to get you. And everyone is out to get Microsoft.
However, as a former contractor, I can sympathize and even empathize. I doubt I could get hired @ MS again if I wanted to.
Give me a call on my cell, and send me your resume to my work email. I’ll see what I can do.
October 27th, 2003 at 9:47 pm
Btw, as an offhand thought. Dont’ forget this — you posted last year about the National Novel Writing Month — NOVEMBER. It’s time to try again, and this time, I’m challenging you to write more than I do. :*-D
October 27th, 2003 at 11:53 pm
You better watch out, Uncle Pervy. I’m all set to go for NaNoWriMo this year…
October 28th, 2003 at 12:12 am
Screw them Michael, I wish you best of luck in the job hunt. I agreed with Hope, you should check out your options to take legal action against them.
Jess
October 28th, 2003 at 5:48 am
Oh man….What can I say, I’m so sorry. When I saw the post I was worried a bit, I also work for a large Corp. (Now I won’t even say the name, but it starts with an X) and my boss made it clear to me that I was not allowed to take any pictures in or around the building without permission. I did ask one day and I did take pictures but they “reviewed” the shots before I left.(digital camera). One of the reasons I hate working for large Corps.(they suck)
But Michael all is not lost. The very large X that I work for is looking for a Docu-tech operator. call me……TONIGHT
I’ll be home between 4-8 pm. and E-Mail me your resume.
Good luck
October 28th, 2003 at 7:17 am
My sympathies and congratulations. That blows some pretty big chunks.
October 28th, 2003 at 8:13 am
Michael, this is beyond asinine. If you lived out here on the east coast I would help ya find something. While I am a security geek, and I can understand their position, it does not merit the punishment. I would have taken you aside given you a warning … maybe beat ya with the rubber hose… but fire you? Thats just bullshit.
Whats next? Are they going to fire people for putting their building number on their business cards? Feh!
October 28th, 2003 at 8:19 am
Careful what you write…
Take care what you write about on your blogs, forums, etc. It appears that one of the bloggers I have a lot of respect for, and who I link to a lot was fired by Microsoft yesterday for posting something…
October 28th, 2003 at 10:37 am
holy cow, michael! i can’t believe this. it was such an innocent post. i admire your restraint in discussing your former employers. i likely would have been a little less generous.
like the other offers, if there is anything you need please let us know.
this is stunning.
October 28th, 2003 at 11:07 am
When Microsoft Attacks
I am stunned. One of my favourite bloggers, Michael from eclecticism, has been fired from his job on the Microsoft campus for this post. Michael was a full-time temp working in the MS print shop. Now he’s not. Technically, he
October 28th, 2003 at 11:08 am
How G5s can make oyu unemployed…
… or at least technically unemployed, as Michael says. Now, we all know, we need to help a fellow Apple geek in need, and if he’s being fired by the Evil Empire itself, for an act of Apple Geekdom, then…
October 28th, 2003 at 11:39 am
Wow! Amazingly sad
October 28th, 2003 at 12:04 pm
Wow. This really enhances my perception that Microsoft is utterly evil.
October 28th, 2003 at 12:30 pm
Geez. Unbelievable. I’m new to blogging, and I had no idea that this could happen. I guess I’m glad I know how. Sorry, dude.
October 28th, 2003 at 12:32 pm
Blogging Causes Unemployment
At least it does in this case. A company can be within its rights and still be terribly wrong.
October 28th, 2003 at 1:16 pm
Yet Another Reason I Blog Anonymously
A Microsoft contractor was fired for posting a picture of some Macs headed to the Microsoft campus. (Via John Moltz.)
October 28th, 2003 at 2:31 pm
Sweet Jesus! I’ll post this to my blog (hell with them - I’m on a Linux box anyways). You should see what the press thinks of this one, unless it conflicts with your employment agreement. Make a heck of a news byline for someone….
I’m standing behind you on this one.
Karl Windows - a colorful clown suit for DOS!
October 28th, 2003 at 5:00 pm
Thank you!
Many thanks to all of you who’ve passed on words of encouragement. Here’s some answers to a few of the questions that have been brought up over all this.
October 28th, 2003 at 8:36 pm
Why Did I Want to Be There?
I may have cried over the possibility of not working at Microsoft but through a local mailing list, I saw…
October 28th, 2003 at 10:03 pm
Oh my God - that’s horrible! I’ve been fired from a job too because of what I’ve blogged. I feel your pain and hope you can find another employment opportunity soon.
October 28th, 2003 at 10:06 pm
that is utterly asinine. if they fired you for “security” reasons, then wouldnt they have wanted you to delete the post? I mean, who didnt have their bowl of logic that morning? They say its a security violation but they’re content with letting you keep it posted up. That doesnt exactly compute. I hope you find a new job quickly. Its horrible to be dealt such an unfair blow like that.
October 28th, 2003 at 10:07 pm
Fired for blogging
Mike was a temp employee at Microsoft until yesterday…when he was fired for blogging a bit too much about his…
October 28th, 2003 at 10:21 pm
MS fired a guy for blogging?
October 28th, 2003 at 11:03 pm
I just want to say, that I blogged some pretty serious secrets about the project I was working on four years ago, and all I got was (three years ago, when the project was released) a lawyer calling me up and saying “please remove all references in your posts to the product name or company name”. In retrospect, not too smart of me to blog all that, but I worked for NAI (the third largest software manufacturer in the world) and they were pretty damn cool with it. Didn’t even ask me to remove the posts or anything, just politely asked me to rename any reference to the product name.
Maybe because this was 4 years ago, and maybe because blogging wasn’t taken as seriously then. I know for sure I wouldn’t have blogged what I did before, now.
Anyways, I just wanted to say that that sucks, dude. But not every company handles it as draconian as MS. Methinks this is a PR disaster waiting to happen.
October 28th, 2003 at 11:08 pm
You blog, then better ask your boss
Do you blog? And are you employed? Be careful your boss may not like what you blog, this guy got fired (read actual thread) because he wrote something on his blog that his company do not like. Similarly, better be careful with your blog content and fol…
October 29th, 2003 at 12:41 am
I feel for you. I came thisclose to losing my job because of what I wrote on my site. Now, I know it’s being closely monitored and I feel limited in what I write.
The funny thing is, I never really wrote about anything that violated any confidentiality policies. I was also very careful about Google (and other search engines) not showing my site when people ran searches on the name of my employer, the city, and my profession. Only other bloggers knew about my site…and one of them blew the whistle. Just for spite.
I urge everyone to use extreme caution with blogging. Real names? No way. Specific job and employer mentioned? Never. Not after knowing what I know.
Good luck on future employment. Things will work out. They always seem to for me, anyway. I can’t imagine that there’s anyone more luckless than myself…so you should make out fine.
October 29th, 2003 at 12:48 am
Dear Microsoft
I always thought that wanting to work for you would be nifty, however after reading this i’ve decided that my uber nifty idea’s and conceptual brilliance will no longer be allowed into your life sucking corportation. seriously guys, some of…
October 29th, 2003 at 1:12 am
I got axed in 2001 by my company for something frivilous like this. It sounds like maybe they were just looking for reasons to trim some fat and used this as an excuse to give you the boot. That is what my company did to me over something totally insignifigant.
Hope you are back gainfully employed in the not to distant future.
Rob Nance Austin, TX
October 29th, 2003 at 1:18 am
Greetings from a small village in northern Thailand sixty miles from the Burmese border. My wife and I wish you well. I must say that the equanimity with which you related the account of your dismissal is remarkable. I suspect MS has lost a valuable employee. Good luck to you.
October 29th, 2003 at 2:16 am
Sorry to hear about the job - I guess no matter how big Microsoft gets, they’ll always be touchy about some things. I suppose after all the years, they’d just like a change from all the blue screens for a while - which we can’t really blame them for
Best of luck finding a new job… I would make a donation, if I hadn’t also recently become unemployed! Unfortunately MY unemployment doesn’t have an interesting story to it.
regards, digitalfire http://www.digitalfire.co.za
October 29th, 2003 at 2:29 am
I’m amazed that something as innocuous as that post could get someone fired!! Actually, its just your word that the photo has been taken inside the Microsoft campus. Without any external features visible that could link the photo to Microsoft, it could well have been a truck delivering a whole load of G5s to my very old and rich aunt who has a peculiar G5 fetish! By dismissing you, MS has just openly accepted that it REALLY IS a photo of inside the MS campus!! How silly and incredulously naive of them!! On the other hand though, with Microsoft, nothing amazes me anymore!
MS has bulldozed its way into a sureshot PR disaster!!
Wishing you luck for your future employment plans.
October 29th, 2003 at 4:22 am
Sorry to hear you got canned for the image, Michael. Good luck finding your next job!
Bryan Editor TMO
October 29th, 2003 at 5:56 am
I hate Microsoft. What an utterly useless software company.
October 29th, 2003 at 5:58 am
On blogging and networks
If at first you don’t succeed, get thee a blog! Michael gets sacked because he blogged a picture of a…
October 29th, 2003 at 6:01 am
Dit is gewoon belachelijk !!!!!!!! This is dutch for : This is completely utterlous ridiculous !!! Maybe smart to write to Steve Jobs for an job opening ?? Good luck and hope you wil find a new job ! Wouter Minderhoud
October 29th, 2003 at 6:03 am
has this been submitted to Slashdot yet?
Someone please do it.
October 29th, 2003 at 6:09 am
picked up on your story via a link truly absurd over reaction - my heart goes out to you. best of luck with the job search mate.
October 29th, 2003 at 6:11 am
Not to be cold hearted, but you should be careful of “blogs”. I cant figure out why people write in these things, its like a public diary without a lock; it can be viewed as unprofessional. I can understand why Microsoft fired you; they view your behavior as unprofessional. Like it or not, most corporate entities are going to view behavior this way. My view of working for a big company is to think of yourself as a mercenary, or hit-man for the company: act professional all the time, and keep your personal life completely segregated in every way: maintain complete confidentiality and discretion. If you don’t, you will get “wacked” (sorry for the mafiaesque jargon, just watched the Sopranos). The responsible person would just chalk it up as experience; the hard lessons are always the best.
October 29th, 2003 at 6:19 am
Mac photos get Microsoft employee fired
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October 29th, 2003 at 6:28 am
The Evil Empire strikes back
Ok, das ist starker Tobak: Wegen eines Blogeintrags ber die Lieferung von neuen G5 Rechnern auf den Microsoft Campus (mit Bild) ist Michael Hanscom postwendend zu seinem Chef zitiert worden und ist nun auf Jobsuche. via IT&W…
October 29th, 2003 at 6:42 am
Crap crap crap. Total unbelievable crap. This just shows how worried Microsoft really is. Like Windows XP users might see Microsoft’s 10 G5s and suddenly switch to MacOS. This is one of the reasons I’m scared to make a blog, or even own a personal website. No matter what I put up there, it could be used against me by my employer. That is crap, especially if it was something as tame as what was posted here.
October 29th, 2003 at 6:45 am
To me, the singular irony in this case is that you’ve been sacked for a “security violation” - this from the company that has inflicted hundreds of security violations on tens of millions of computers by releasing software that makes Swiss cheese look more solid than a brick - and to say that is an insult to Swiss cheese.
My suggestion to Microsoft - if you’re so serious about security, why not deal with it where it counts - in your software? All of this nonsense about firing someone for revealing the building they work in as a “security violation” is nothing more than a distraction from the very serious task you have in front of you - cleaning up after all of the loose ends you left in Windows NT, 2000 and XP.
October 29th, 2003 at 6:54 am
Ahhh…. Freedom….
And that simply, as of about 2pm today, I once again joined the ranks of the unemployed.
October 29th, 2003 at 6:57 am
Blogging can get you fired
This blog entry was the reason for Michael being fired….
October 29th, 2003 at 6:58 am
You didn’t want to work for them anyway did you
J
October 29th, 2003 at 7:00 am
If Apple is smart, which I believ ethey are, they would hire you……
October 29th, 2003 at 7:00 am
give us a call for a job. we like your work.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:01 am
The Working Mac Manifesto
The tech economy has been bruised for years now. With as many tech - and Mac people looking for jobs, it’s worth noting that we are our greatest asset. Follow me here… I work for Career Services at a state…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:02 am
This also happened to Gregg Easterbrook of ESPN, Atlantic Monthly, and the New Republic. He got fired from ESPN for badmouthing Disney on the New Republic’s blog site.
Go figure. sigh
October 29th, 2003 at 7:03 am
sorry to hear this mate, maybe [hopefully] you’ll be working for Apple sometime in the future… =)
October 29th, 2003 at 7:07 am
Another Blog Related Firing
“Microsoft has the right to decide that because of what you said, you’re no longer welcome on the Microsoft campus.”
October 29th, 2003 at 7:10 am
I do not believe that Microsoft could ever buy Macs. Apple has sent these computers to the Microsoft Campus as a clever publicity act. There is nothing Microsoft could ever learn from the guys at Apple. Of course, these machines might not be intented for copying the stuff from Apple, but might be for the most important people who just can’t afford to have the Windows crashing on them… but I thought that they were mostly using Linux in those cases.
I am sure you will find a new job with a better moral background, a job that you can tell proudly to your grandchildren.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:10 am
I would like to propose a toast to the latest Apple martyr.
Three cheers for [what was your name again?]!!!
October 29th, 2003 at 7:12 am
Current Borg employee here…
I feel for you man, I really do. This is why I blog under a pseudo and avoid talk of work whenever possible. If I do mention work, I don’t use their actual company name, just to make it slightly more unlikely that it can be found via a search engine. Oh, and I never blog from work.
I wonder if the fact that you were a contractor might also have contributed to this. Perhaps a FT might have survived with a warning…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:15 am
Sorry Bro, It looks it looks like Big brother is comming and not in the form of government, but Microsoft
October 29th, 2003 at 7:16 am
Another Blog-related Firing
“Microsoft has the right to decide that because of what you said, you’re no longer welcome on the Microsoft campus.”
October 29th, 2003 at 7:17 am
Sounds like you have a case of wrongful termination on the basis of the following. That fact that Mac users are notoriously avid supporters of the platform, your personal expression should be expected by Microsoft management. Your actions are not unexpected.
I think if you get yourself a lawyer you can win a claim against wrongful termination.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:18 am
Nothing is safe….
Co-worker sent me a link to this guy Of blogging and unemployment” href=”http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/of_blogging_and.html”>eclecticism > Of blogging and unemployment it appears that there is really no part of one’s life that one c…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:20 am
Hi!
Just want to say you were also mentioned in slashdot.org ;)s
October 29th, 2003 at 7:24 am
I smell a lawsuit. Take em to the fucking cleaners.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:25 am
Another reason MAC’s suck!
Now, the next time a Mac user asks me why I’m not really a big fan, I can tell them it’s because they make you lose your fucking job. See, I knew there were other reasons!…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:25 am
Man, that is just sad and weak. I feel for you and wish you luck.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:26 am
Hey man, I’m really sorry to hear this.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:28 am
MS Blogger Gets The Boot
A blogger and Microsoft got himself fired for posting pictures of Even Microsoft wants G5s” href=”http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/even_microsoft_.html”>a shipment of Mac G5s…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:32 am
I wonder if anyone at Micro$oft thought to do a cost/benefit analysis of the impact on their security of just blowing off this non-issue versus over reacting, firing the guy and bringing down even more fear, loathing and outright hatred upon themselves when the story hit the press? Maybe if they didn’t act like this in the first place, perhaps security on the Micro$oft Campus wouldn’t be such an issue.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:32 am
Dude! Totally send your qualifications to Apple and say, “This is why Microsoft fired me! Do you have any job openings available?” Apple probably has more of a sense of humor, especially about these sorts of things, than Microsoft. And, besides it never hurts to try. Good luck!
October 29th, 2003 at 7:33 am
The posts about this being no different if it had occured at virtually any company are spot on. If this same scene had taken place at One Infinite Loop, the results would have been identical.
This guy obviously doesn’t have a clue, based on his blog. Further, those who are using this to bash Microsoft (an often worthy target) don’t have a clue either. This guy will be asking, “would you like fries with that,” in his next job, as Burger King is likely the only remaining source of employment for a moron of this magnitude.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:35 am
Thats really bad news mate. Microsoft have just proved once again, and in a very public way, how much they suck. I wish you luck in finding a better employer.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:36 am
good luck daddyo.
in reading about your mishap, I’ll surely be more careful in my posts.
or should I be? what the hell.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:36 am
Microsoft orders G5’s, fires guy who photographs it
This guy took a picture of a couple of pallettes of Apple G5’s being unloaded at Microsoft headquarters in Redmond. Four days later he was fired for “security violations”. I really feel bad for this guy as Microsoft offered him…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:36 am
First off, sorry you lost your job over this; sux. However, for those saying watch what you blog, I give the big middle finger! In other words what they’re saying is, watch what you say, cuz someone might do something bad to you; i.e., you have no free speech.
Last time I looked, we live in America, home to the brave, free speech, and many tax skating corporate offices located in the Bahamas. The last thing you should be doing is censoring yourself every second of every day. Am I saying don’t employ common sense? No, not at all. When the entry was posted, you took good measure to make sure none of the surrounding buildings or outright anything m$ was visible. For all we know, that truck could have existed somewhere else in the universe and the only thing connecting it with the m$ campus was your words.
Your personal life - including blogging - is (for now) totally your own thing and completely separate from m$ the uber-company. I’m sure this story will get more legs and someone will offer you a better position, or something good will come around regardless. Or maybe, even as some people said, someone at Apple will glance over.
Anyway, good luck.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:43 am
Things could have changed, but when I worked at Microsoft a few years back I remember there being a policy banning employees from taking pictures inside MS buildings with out permission. It is common knowledge that MS makes software for the mac so it shouldn’t be a big suprise that they took delivery of some macs.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:47 am
http://www.alandaniels.com/weblog/archives/week_2003_10_26.phtml#000208
Here’s an interesting tale of a temp worker who got fired from Microsoft for writing about his seeing a shipment of Apple G5s arriving at the campus, along with an accompanying photo. As I understand it, Microsoft is still the…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:48 am
Sucks to hear of the unemployment. No loss really though… it was only Microsoft. It’s not like they’re an innovative company anyhow. Nothing to show for, except for a subpar OS. You’ll find another job, one where you don’t have to work for the enemy.
Slightly off-topic, but a good friend of mine (we’ll just call him JRD) who used to live near me in California moved to Washington (yes, the state, not the capital) to work for Macro$haft. The funny thing is that he seems to have turned on his friends. It’s as though he has become some sort of secret service agent or some clandestine crap like that. I think that the Macro$haft lifestyle has ruined him. Poor sap!
-he who stacks pork
October 29th, 2003 at 7:49 am
So sad, so sad, so sad. It is such a stupid measure to take. They are clearly shooting themselves in the big Corprate MS foot for doing this. I wish you the best of luck, If you have any thoughts about moving to the French Riviera, answer this posting, I can probably find you a job over here. But I agree with several other posters here, if Apple wishes to get some seriously good publicity, they should hire you immediately. The very best of luck! We are keeping our fingers crossed for you!
Sincerely,
Svinto
October 29th, 2003 at 7:51 am
I was a little bored with drugs and sex
This guy really hates having Jay Fiedler as Miami’s starting QB. (PDF) John Hawkins of Right Wing News explains why isolationism just won’t work. Which really ticks me off. We need to fix our problems here before we take on…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:52 am
Seattle’s crime of the week
Writing and postingeclecticism >thislast week resulted in eclecticism >this this week for Michael Hanscom who, seemingly, now rates as a major security threat over at Gates Central. Stupid for them; sad for him….
October 29th, 2003 at 7:53 am
Blogging can get you fired
Someone gets fired by a (too) well-known company after leaking information that is certainly no secret. Does anyone doubt that Microsoft is using or testing Mac? I don’t. Sh**t happens, more in some places than in others I guess… Via…
October 29th, 2003 at 7:54 am
Perhaps John Doe (from a post above) needs to think about what he’s saying before he ends up looking like a Moron (too late in this case). Think about this John Doe (Moron), perhaps the answer is to have employees of corporations of this type/magnitude to sign agreements not to take photos in and/or around the work place/parking lot/loading bay, etc…
Is this really necessary? Obviously John Doe (Moron). There is nothing wrong with the photograph in question. It does not violate any security issues what so ever. What does it show? Nothing. The description of the photo given does not give anything away either. It simply says they are being delivered to Microsoft. Embarrasing for MS, but nothing to fire someone over.
Think before you post John Doe (Moron). Thanks a lot, dumb ass.
October 29th, 2003 at 7:58 am
Well maybe our DooM 3 project will cheer you up! http://doomforcolumbine.com
Billgoat Gates and his mountain of cash are subject to jibes, here and there, so check it out okay? Thanks for those nice G5 textures for the M$ levels!!!
October 29th, 2003 at 8:00 am
I can really sympathize with you over this situation. I too was fired due to inappropriate blogging that wasn’t done with malice, but simply a lack of forethought. But the good news is that I was forced to leave a job I hate, and got one that I love. It will all work out, and you will always have the awesome story of the time you were fired for outing Microsoft’s love for macs. Good luck.
October 29th, 2003 at 8:11 am
I feel for you. The job market is tough these days and employers seem able to do pretty much anything they want, for any reason. You may have had some recourse as an employee but as a temp…
I was laid off from another big company (though not quite as big as Microsoft—but then, who is) when I returned from disability from treatment for breast cancer. Apparently, I increased their premiums or something. With no insurance and no money, I can’t even afford follow-up to make sure it’s still gone. People have become merely a commodity, it seems. Very sad.
I’ve been looking for another job for almost a year. Sure hope you have better luck than I’ve been having! (I did have two interviews in the last week so am keeping my fingers crossed.)
As popular as this blog appears to be, maybe you can turn it into a money-making venture. At least until you find another gig. Good luck to you!
October 29th, 2003 at 8:12 am
Bring on the firings…
Even Microsoft wants G5s” href=”http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/even_microsoft_.html”>Even Microsoft wants G5s….but being a Microsoft employee and letting the so-called cat out of the bag on the Internet is not a good idea….
October 29th, 2003 at 8:14 am
Well, this is yet ANOTHER problem with America. I love this country, don’t get me wrong. But capitalizm and corperate greed is becoming such a huge problem. With the economy the way it is, every corperation that was already greedy has gotten worse and doesn’t seem to really give a @%#@$ about their customers. I’m a small business owner (ISP and onsite work)and in the course of the past 3 years I’ve had to break long term relationships with alot of companies we dealt with and more on the way. Things such as my notebook supplier (Chembook) sent me a faulty notebook and refused to fix/resolve the problem so I had to pay for the hardware to repair a 4 month old notebook. What made it worse is, it was the motherboard requiring a $700 part.
My advise to everyone right now is do as little dealings as possible with “public” companies. If they are on the stock market, their concern is the bottom line. NOT taking care of their customers. Small businesses might be a bit more expensive but you can just about bet you’re going to get taken care of and not just have your wallet thinned out.
October 29th, 2003 at 8:18 am
عکس نشان میدهد که در مايکروسافت هم Apple G5 میخرند
http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/of_blogging_and.html
October 29th, 2003 at 8:31 am
this really does suck. microsoft should really be aware of the bad press this is causing them. screw microsoft. screw their lousy software.
October 29th, 2003 at 8:31 am
Oh boy. Any press is good press, eh? Not really.
Let’s face facts here: You are a high school graduate with no college degree (or attendance as far as I can tell from your resume), with what seems to be very limited job experience as well. You were a temp contract employee for a large corporation, and you took pictures inside that corporation’s campus. It doesn’t matter at all that the large corporation in this case is Microsoft, and it doesn’t matter whatsoever that Apple is involved.
The fact that people are using this as an excuse to bash Microsoft is just another example of the Apple community embarrassing itself with its oft-blinded hatred of Microsoft or anything related thereto. And, since people will automatically respond to what I’ve just written with ignorant “M$ Lover!!” statements, I think I should mention that I own a Power Mac G5.
Sorry, pal, that you got fired. It’s always a bad thing. But, in this case, it is understandable. I’m sure you’ll get some donations, which is good for you since you’ll need to pay bills, but I honestly don’t think they’re deserved. Due to the names involved in this firing, you’re getting tons of press in the Mac community (a community that tends to be both willing to help each other and willing to do anything, it seems, if they think it hurts Microsoft), and you’ll no doubt receive money and possibly a new job because of this. That’s unfortunate for everyone out there with money trouble or job trouble who are qualified and understand how large companies work, but who do not have weblogs and/or get fired for things like this.
I’ll leave you with this: you’re really, really lucky. Ten years ago, you would simply be SOL. No questions asked. But now you’re going to get help. Help you really don’t deserve. I just hope you learn a valuable lesson and help others when the opportunity arises.
October 29th, 2003 at 8:35 am
Microsoft fires employee weblogger
Michael Hanscom lost a temporary job at Microsoft because of something he published on his weblog: It seems that my post is seen by Microsoft Security as being a security violation.
October 29th, 2003 at 8:36 am
Now the whole world knows. Congratulations Microsoft! You’d think that companies would learn that whenever they do something stupid like this, they are just BEGGING to get lots of publicity. Essentially, Microsoft fired you because they don’t want their purchase of G5s to be known. However, in doing so, they’ve attracted more attention to the issue than could possibly have been gotten otherwise. Glad I don’t work for Microsoft. They’re absolute bastards in so many ways.
October 29th, 2003 at 8:38 am
As much as I disagree with what has happened to you, Michael, I am very suprised with the comments I have read here and responses on other blogger-websites. I have read posts of people that are afraid to tell the name of the company they work for, and seen comments like “If in doubt, don’t post”, “Always be careful when posting”. That is utterly ridiculous! Are you scared to do anything that makes your boss think you’re anything else than a mindless drone? Are you not allowed to live your own life? From my (european) point of view this shows the hypocrisy of Amercia when it comes to their favorite right: FREEDOM.
October 29th, 2003 at 8:42 am
This is the letter I sent to Microshifty.
Dear sir madam,
I read on the internet that you’ve fired this poor chap who blogged about the presence of Macintosh G5 computers on the Microsoft premises.
Here’s the
Isn’t it a bit rigorous to fire him over such a trifle matter? Because of this I bought a Macintosh today and this will be the last E-mail using a Microsoft product to send it. As we speak I am downloading another program to replace this one. As from today I will make every effort to replace any Microsoft program on any computer in my company for concurring company’s software, including the OS’es. This means I will switch to Linux and shout it of the rooftops too. I am considering writing something about it in my own column on my own site (now a Unix system running apache) and it will certainly not be pleasant for you. That is the consequence for your actions. I also crossposted references to the poor man’s blog on numerous forums throughout the world. I dare you to respond!
Mr. Leendert V** G****** III, CEO VG****.NL WebDesign, The Netherlands
October 29th, 2003 at 8:44 am
Bill Buys a G5
Nothing shocking here as M$ does develop software for Macs so they would have to have them around - but it is kind of funny to see a whole pallet of them - and what’s sad is the employee who…
October 29th, 2003 at 8:45 am
Sacked for blogging
Michael Hanscom, a temp working at Microsoft’s MSCopy division has been fired for posting a photo on his weblog of some Apple G5 machines being delivered to Microsoft. This raises some concerns for people who blog at work. I’m going…
October 29th, 2003 at 8:48 am
You have got to be fucking kidding me?
FUCK YOU MICROSOFT… My Next computer is a Mac. You lost my business. Of blogging and unemployment” href=”http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/of_blogging_and.html”>eclecticism > Of blogging and unemployment…
October 29th, 2003 at 8:53 am
Does this mean there’s an opening at Microsoft now?
October 29th, 2003 at 8:54 am
Fired? / Hell No, I Quit.
Hoy always loves to send me all sorts of tidbits from the web, Lord knows I am too busy with my day to sit around and read sites anymore. Bless his heart, he always knows where to find the good…
October 29th, 2003 at 8:55 am
Wow, it’s amazing how corporate culture behaves. Good luck, man… Big D slipped you a lil somethin in your PayPal account.
CMON FOLKS, chip in a little (or more if you got too much)!
October 29th, 2003 at 9:05 am
MS kicks employee because of blog post
I just found out via Robert Accettura’s weblog that Michael Hanscom, a Microsoft employee, has been fired because of a humorous and innocent post about Microsoft buying some Mac computers. What on earth is wrong with Microsoft? If they find…
October 29th, 2003 at 9:06 am
Microsoft’s Cruel and Unusual Punishment
A Former Microsoft Employee has been terminated for taking a picture of 3 pallets of G5’s entering the Microsoft Compounds in Redmond and posting those photos on his blog. Gee, I don’t think Microsoft wanted it known that they were buying a truckload …
October 29th, 2003 at 9:08 am
That’s too bad. Too bad a business has to worry about the individuals they hire might be untrustworthy and may violate the security necessary to maintain a competitive advantage. It’s too bad that a company has to pay for legal services to aviod the circumstance in which a former righfully dismissed employee may sue because they feel they were unjustly let go. That’s too bad.
Attention America: Grow up, and take responsibility for your own actions. There are no seconds chances in life.
October 29th, 2003 at 9:13 am
Welcome to Amerika… Land of the fee, home of the nave.
October 29th, 2003 at 9:15 am
Good luck finding a new job, bummer mate. Wish we Mac guys culd do more to help you… Although I did find it extremely funny: Redmond using Macs! …kinda like the Coke guy drinking Pepsi!
October 29th, 2003 at 9:15 am
Michael Hanscom story
October 29th, 2003 at 9:21 am
Although I do find this circumstance somewhat disturbing, I have to ask, are you really suprised? Microsoft is notoriously security sensitive and you were publishing inside information. It could be considered that same as though you were doing undercover reporting. Taking photos inside your workplace can be considered, not only unporfessional, but possibly illegal. I work for an A/E firm and I must say that taking photos of plans or even models, no matter how inocuous the post was, would be totally inappropriate. I had a very active blog for three years and managed to keep my workplace out of it and I was still worried about prospective employers finding personal information that would rule me out of the running. Everyone has a right to privacy, absolutely, but when you post your “private” thoughts, comments, photos, etcetera on an electronic version of a flashing billboard on a major interstate - people are going to read it, those people are going to react to it, and those people may include your employer. They must naturally consider what their clients or target audience would think if they stumbled upon it too. Microsoft, due to many factors, are one of my very least favorite business entities, but I wouldn’t want an employee taking photos and yacking about my business online either.
October 29th, 2003 at 9:23 am
Don’t Bite the Hand that Feeds You
Or if you work for Microsoft, don’t even make fun of the hand that feeds you, not even a little bit. If you haven’t heard, they recently fired one of their employees for posting on his weblog a picture of
October 29th, 2003 at 9:26 am
efforts, and what little notoriety I may gain in my fifteen minutes of fame, …. errr .. little is the understatement of the decade if not the century.All the same MS never could accept criticism and never will.From the famous presentation where they missed power and the Apple logo showed on the large screens to this new incident it’s bad for MS to see the Apple logo on it’s grounds, presentations etc.IT’s not a matter of security, it’s a matter of having people saying that MS is not as good an OS to do stuff like you do on an Apple.Graphics and music particularly.Personally i think it sucks you lost your job.. but that’s the nature of the beast.You will find another job.No doubt.And then be free from the tyrants that try to control every aspects of our lives. Good luck in your future endeavours and take care
October 29th, 2003 at 9:27 am
These pictures reveal company secrets just as these did:
http://forums.macrumors.com/archive/topic/19575-1.html
http://virga-x.adtn.net/screenshots/Apple%20Internal/
October 29th, 2003 at 9:28 am
Be carefull about what you blog. Microsoft will fire you!
Microsoft fired an individual over a post on his blog. Microsoft Security saw the post as being a security violation….
October 29th, 2003 at 9:28 am
Fired for blogging?
http://www.michaelhanscom.com/eclecticism/2003/10/even_microsoft_.html After blogging this entry, a guy was fired from his job at Microsoft, apparantly they didn’t like the fact he gave away information about locations and buildings at MS, not that the…
October 29th, 2003 at 9:29 am
Microsoft Using G5’s…. fires Employee
I just read about this this morning on slashdot and had to post it here. This guy took a picture of some G5’s being delivered to M$ and posted it on his blog and they fired him for it. Isn’t…
October 29th, 2003 at 9:31 am
“I’d be willing to bet that somewhere in the labyrinthine red tape of contracts among my temp agency, the vendor, and Microsoft, this situation is probably covered in one form or another.”
You shouldn’t have accepted that Windows95 EULA eight years ago.
October 29th, 2003 at 9:34 am
Shit happens.
October 29th, 2003 at 9:38 am
Everyone go but a Mac, their fun an easy to use, not to mention prettier
October 29th, 2003 at 9:41 am
We have the “Bill of Rights” in these United States but however, they do not apply in Corporate Amerika. Food for thought. We workers have a little more freedom today but I talked to people who worked for Corporate America back in the 1940’ & 50’s had their hands tied not only in the workplace but outside as well. Depending what level you were at, you were expected to fulfill social expectations such as avoiding nice resturaunts (5 Star) if you were on the lower part of the food chain or expected to belong to some high society type of clubs if you were higher up such as being an executive.
With the job market being in the toilet, a lot of employers are attempting to take back some of the freedoms that we had before such as stricter dress codes, less flex time for example. If the job market gets as bad to where there is high unemployment like in the 1930’s, we could see companies being much more intrusive again.
What Microsoft did was wrong and besides, sounds like they don’t have much of a sense of humor. I have worked at places like them before and if someone pissed off a manager, even outside of work, there were repercussions that were swift such as getting terminated, escorted oout without being allowed to get your personal effects. They were sent to mailed to you within a couple of month
October 29th, 2003 at 9:43 am
Sorry to read about this. As a Mac user who cannot stand M$, they really are overreacting to this. Go apply for a job with Apple. Good Luck
October 29th, 2003 at 9:43 am
Speaking from a certain amount of experience, I wouldn’t expect much help from whichever Temp Agency you were contracting with. In all likelyhood you will never be placed anywhere by them or any other tech agency in the area again. Even though it is illegal for them to share information about thier employee’s, it is highly rumored that they do. I know from personal experience that once you have been terminated from a contract, none of the agencies will touch you again, for any contract, MS or otherwise. I wouldn’t expect any support from them in trying to rectify this either. They may tell you that they are “doing everything they can”, but it’s just a line to keep you pacified. Their contract with MS is much much more important to them than you (or any other contractor) will ever be. Also, MS has most of the good law firms here in Seattle on retainer so they won’t even speak with you about this incident. I feel really badly for you, as this is about as stupid as what happened to me. Point in case about the difference between FT and CSG: The “incident” that resulted in my contract being terminated was instigated by a FT. We were both terminated for it, but 2 weeks later he was back as CSG with full permission to go FT as soon as he was able. I was CSG when the incident occured, was mostly a bystander in it all, and I have been banned for life from MS. Six months later I have not recieved a SINGLE listing from the “temp agency” and do not expect to. Good Luck man because you are going to need it.
October 29th, 2003 at 9:50 am
I think Microsoft did the right thing by firing this person. If he took one photo of some Macs on a dock it doesn’t appear harmful. How would we know he wouldn’t be taking photos of somehting more harmful to the company? I hope he will learn from his mistake. My concern would be with him securing future employment. I wouldn’t be bragging about all the traffic and support I got for taking pictures. That would be a red flag if I was in a position to hire him. “Hey I violated one of the terms of my employment. Can I have a job?” He should let it go and move on.
October 29th, 2003 at 9:54 am
October 29th, 2003 at 10:03 am
Antitrust Hypocrisy
Michael is just your normal IT guy trying to survive in today’s downtrodden IT world. He made an error in judgement last Thursday by posting an article along with a photo of Microsoft’s purchase of several palettes of Mac G5’s. Now, I’ve known for a wh…
October 29th, 2003 at 10:06 am
hey dood I’ll take ur job
October 29th, 2003 at 10:06 am
Microsoft Might Never Employ Me for What Google Would Tell Them
Amazon now searches the full text of books, but apparently Google had been planning similar things as well. Wouldn’t it be great if we had a showdown? Simon has joined a number of others in bemoaning the current state of…
October 29th, 2003 at 10:12 am
Perhaps MS Security was embarassed because some of the G5 boxes fell off the pallet.
October 29th, 2003 at 10:12 am
hmm Security issue of a temp employee with less than .0000005% influence or other on MS of us knowing where you work as physical location..
I call total bullshit!
This was a PR issue pure and simple nothing more nothing less..
October 29th, 2003 at 10:17 am
Microsoft Employee Fired Over Blog Post
Some poor guy has gotten the boot from Microsoft due to a post on his personal weblog. The post, “Even Microsoft Wants G5’s is about a shipment of PowerMac G5’s he took a photo of as they were being delivered…
October 29th, 2003 at 10:35 am
The interesting and odd thing about this overreaction is how sensitive Microsoft administration is to this revelation.
They certainly are liberalizing the concept of a “security violation”. Usually that’s reserved for either an actual revelation of proprietary (or government classified) information or, more commonly, of a rule that’s intended to prevent such a revelation.
Was there an actual rule posted somewhere saying this was prohibited?
Would Redmond prohibit labor union picketers from marching on their “campus” because it also constitutes a “security violation”?
October 29th, 2003 at 10:36 am
You might be able to “move up the food chain” and get your issue addressed—at least if you haven’t burned any bridges yet. It sounds like security is doing a “stupid reflex action”, to ensure that people know that they are serious about security, but in the end provides no benefit whatsoever.
Usually you find these sorts of mindless, reflexive beaurocrats at companies that have a broken management structure (people protecting jobs rather than innovating). It is pretty obvious to anyone that MS gets worse PR from the firing than from the post.
Then again, if it may really be a security issue if they are using the G5s to authenticate and actually provide security within MS. If they were agnostic and serious about security it would be a smart thing to do. So the hubbub over the firing may have actually caused more of a leak than the photos. Buying Macs for testing wouldn’t involve security… but buying macs for login and mail (postfix) would improve security. Besides, they’ll save money on the unlimited license
October 29th, 2003 at 10:38 am
just say NO to microsoft products!
October 29th, 2003 at 10:42 am
prcarit
Comment se faire virer en 2 minutes ? Tenez un blog. Tout simplement. Vous permettez que j’aille vomir ?…
October 29th, 2003 at 10:47 am
Gulp!
Michael Hanscom has a blog where he great picture of some PowerMac G5s being delivered to his employer, Microsoft. Seems…
October 29th, 2003 at 10:47 am
Hoooo, boy.
Yes, it would have been nice if they had just fired whatever Security idiot let a non-Shipping&Receiving person into the area. Do you realize how the photo shows that there is NO ONE around and the doors are WIDE OPEN? “Come on in and steal computers! We don’t even post a guard! Wanna replace a computer with a bomb? No sweat!”
Maybe this was your first experience with a big corporation…in my experience they’re all paranoid.
October 29th, 2003 at 10:52 am
Remember kids, Freedom of Speech does not mean Freedom from Consequences.
October 29th, 2003 at 11:00 am
Ouch…
Fired for posting something to his blog… Man that sucks… Here is the article……
October 29th, 2003 at 11:02 am
Even MS wants G5s and they don’t want you to know about
Which is why they fired a blogger for posting a picture of a shipment of G5s at his workplace, Microsoft. Conspiracy theories aside, it is a little funny, but I don’t entirely blame them for firing someone for posting unauthorized…
October 29th, 2003 at 11:23 am
You’re in Seattle. Apply at Adobe. If you have print shop AND software developer experience it might be worth your time.
October 29th, 2003 at 11:28 am
It’s a sign of the times.
America use the “freedom flag” so often to justify the use of their military supremacy that people in the USA lost the truth meaning of the word freedom.
When a person can be fired for no reason other then taking harmless photo and a striking headline on a blog, it’s time to wonder what will be the future. The hilariuos part is that duality of the “freedom-right-duty” balance on the microsoft manager:
“you have the right to say anything you want. Unfortunately, Microsoft has the right to decide that because of what you said, you’re no longer welcome on the Microsoft campus.”
Basically, that frase and their actions can be translated plain and simple as: “If you are an employee here either you don’t tell what I don’t to hear hear, or get fired. Doesn’t matter if you said elsewhere, or in the middle of 10 million people on the net. This your right. Period”
Here in Europe thast person couls sue Microsoft for his lost job. If in court it found that he doesn’t violated his contract, he could get his job back. Private business included.
That really is protecting the freedom of speech, right’s of employer and employe’s.
And that’s because freedom is a concept that can’t be turned off the minute you sign contract with an private business.